Iphone 3G in Malaysia?
It’s quite disappointing that after a long, hopeful waiting, Iphone 3G won’t be officially launched in Malaysia. It’s sadder still, our southern neighbor, Singapore, is included in the official release soon. Heck, even Botswana is included.
However, as we already know, Malaysia is full of dedicated Iphone bringers. I myself will try my best to fulfill Malaysian’s hunger of these ’Twice as fast. Half the price’ Iphone. I’ll update with the link to my bulk later.
Update: Many news confirm that activation for the Iphone will be on the spot. Meaning they won’t let you leave the store if you don’t activate your phone. At the moment, there is possible way for me to conduct my bulk yet.
Even more Update: The best place to get Iphone is New Zealand as its iphones are officially unlocked. So no need warranty-voiding hack or sim-adapter hassle. However the price is not very nice and friendly now as it’s retailed at 979NZD and 1129NZD for 8gb and 16gb respectively.
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Last I checked on eBay, the old iphone is still selling like hot cakes! I wonder why couldn’t they wait another month for the new iphone.
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because there is no stock anymore for old iphone. plus for the 3g version, there is still no good news about non-contract availability.
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sure, i’ll make a post when there is a news. add me through ym if you will. id is irwan6179
thanks
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I’m very sorry to hear that you guys are not launching the iPhone in Malaysia. I know a lot of friends who live there and you guys are missing out! Maybe you can get somebody you know over here in the U.S.A. to buy one for you 
.
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Hi Irwan,
Been a fan of your site for a long time. Now, even a greater fan with your iPhone waiting list!
If it’s not a problem, do include me in your list of eager Msians and keep us updated, ok?
Thanks
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Bullshit!
why double standard? Singapore is just a few miles away and a bridge to cross over.
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i’m very fond of iPhone’s. Especially, the new one. So, i wanna be in your mailing list. Need updates. Thanks.
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Ha ha , that lucky i was in Canad now , i can buy the iphone 3g here , i plan to buy 16g iphone 3g here, here canada got many place to sale. i guess i am the frist one malaysia men get iphone 3g . and i will back to malaysia one july 18. ha nice!
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heyy. i heard if u buy the iphone 3g from other country and if u bring it to malaysia and change to malaysia sim card, the iphone cannot be used anymore as they are more strict now regarding the old iphone can easily be hacked.
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Hey I’m a BIG APPLE FAN HERE!! the new iPhone 3G will not come to Malaysia?? =[ why? is it possible to get it from singapor and hack it to use in malaysia????
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singtel will sell iphone3g WITH CONTRACT only in singapore….it’s already confirmed.
to bad for us in Malaysia..
Maybe maxis@celcom can nego with apple
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Hi Irwan,
Just came across your blog. If it’s possible to crack this iPhone 3G (sure it would), do put me in your list as well. Have been drool over this phone since 1 1/2 years ago. Cannot wait anymore =D
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the iphone 3g right now , it can use every country, no need jailbreak . even can use in malaysia, as long as the sim card is GSM .
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jerry reply on June 24th, 2008:
hi andy,
is it true that the current iphone 3g does not require any hacking? i was about to ask my brother who is working at U.S. to buy back to malaysia. pls let me know asap.
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Shen reply on July 2nd, 2008:
Jerry depending on where you buy it. AND with or without contract. Without then no. No jailbreak required BUT it will cost u i believe cheapest ive found is 1900 – 3000 riggit. With contract. yes you will need to unlock. but then again there are penalties… etc… its complicated.
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I’ve been looking alot in to the whole iphone 3g release thing and different ways to get around the system and so far i believe its gonna be pretty difficult to get a good cheap unlocked one. To the guy who said i’m gonna get one in canada cheap bla bla bla. unfortunately its not that simple. u need to register into a 1 and half yr contract with the company and probably pay a fine if u cancel early. and it will be a expensive fine at that. I’m in switzerland now where the iphone will be released and even with that it i’m still hesistant on buying one. apparently they will be selling unlocked iphones in europe but they ofcourse are not idiots an unlocked iphone will cost quite abit more and go to as much as 600 USD thats RM1800 give or take. So even if you do find an unlocked one on malaysian soil the odds that it is under RM1800 ringgit are minimal at best. However Irwan if you do manage to smuggle some cheap locked ones over and THEN unlock them and be able to sell them for a more reasonable price. Do let me know. And as a courtesy if I figure it out i’ll let you know as well. You have my email.
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the more the merrier
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if the iphone is unlocked, wil it work the same wy as the one under a contract…………and also wil i be able to use it other countries
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Put me on your mailing list when you do bring it over man I’ve been slobbering over this for a long time now…
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I can get iphone 3G cost only <USD199
guess what…. because i get it direct from apple… hahaha….
how can? yes it can…. because our company are building the housing, charger housing…ear phone for apple…
hehehe….
lucky me!!
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Irwan reply on July 4th, 2008:
show me the pics and ill believe you
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Kevin Ng reply on July 27th, 2008:
mind to provide me your e-mail?
i don’t really want to show to public…
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harry reply on March 15th, 2010:
call me kevin 017 275 1577
Shen reply on July 4th, 2008:
if that really was true it would break so many rules that apple has implemented to keep the iphone 3g within their `boundaries` so if that really were true, there will be noise. Lots of noise.
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hello plz i will like to know if really if u buy the iphone3G it will not work in malaysia because i plan on buying one direct from the states with shipping so plz let me know if there is any update on the iphone3G before 11th 07 2008
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Hey, I plan to get it from Japan in August, so any idea of the unlocked thingy? can be used in malaysia if i buy from japan?
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so like how much will it cost me in da states ($199 or more )to unluck it and can i buy it over the net?
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so its somehow imposable to buy it from the states
so have to wait for officially release in Malaysia thats not good ,cuz i have been waiting on this i phone for months and not in Malaysia may be if i go to Singapore and try to buy it there.
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Natasha reply on July 12th, 2008:
I am from new zealand and i think Vodafone Nz i actually riping the customers off by trying to sell the iphone for $549 and a two year contract for $80 a month,that comes to $6000 for the two years.We can get The 8gb iphone for 979.00 but then we cant use the data.it sucks
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and which line will work wit the i phone in Malaysia
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Shen reply on July 7th, 2008:
it doesn’t matter which line. when a phone is ‘jailbroken’ it can technically b used with any and all networks… and no don’t bother to wait for it to come out in malaysia. it probably never officially will.
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Sadly said, in US you need subscribe to a 2-year subscription agreement with AT&T before you can purchase it. You are required to unlock the iphone in-store where you bought it after you have signed the subscription agreement. However, AT&T reported that they also will sell the non-agreement iphone however, AT&T did not say anything about unlocking those iphone.
Assuming this is implemented in other countries such as Singapore. I guess we need to hold on to buy those 3g Iphone before anyone can unlock and jailbreak it.
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Hello there…
I wanna asked something about this “twice speed half price” iphone. Is it necessary for this iphone to be unlocked like the previous one?
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If it need to be unlocked, why this iphone is launched in several country? come on man..think about it.is that possible that one of this country sell this iphone without contract? if it so, that will be good news for those like me who don’t want their iphone to be unlocked.
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Shen reply on July 9th, 2008:
You should read up more on the iphone. Its unlocked in france at germany for about 1000 euros. If they have contract they are STILL locked to a specific service provider. U have to unlock it YOURSELF.
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Hey dude, include me in your mailing list as well.
I found this website and claims can get the Iphone 3G tomorrow itself for those who have pre-book with him.
Check it out : http://www.iworld.com.my/
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so if unlock da iphone in malaysia n take it 2 another country will it work?will i b able 2 use it in overseas?
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Hey man! I was so sick abt this iphone 3G. I asked my HK fren to buy me one but… It makes me so disappointed get to know that it’s under contract based. I wish one of the Malaysia Network providers can have this kind of contract with iphone also… asap. Please put me in ur mailing list also… thanks
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Irwan,
another interested guy over here….
malaysia’s market is damn big,why launching not included here?
pls add me too…TQ 
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People PEOPLE!!!
there is a rummer that Maxis Malaysia will be taking in iPhone to Malaysia
more details.
http://www.mojosh.com/?p=72
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hey,please add me too bud,and let me know about the hackability of the Iphone,or even better,CAN WE FINALLY USE MAXIS IN IT???TQ.
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cheapest Iphone 3g prepaid (locked) that I found so far. In Switzerland by swisscom Fr.619 (RM1800-1900) for 16gb and Fr.519 (RM1500-1600) for 8gb. You can download the software to unlock yourself… I’m in Switzerland now… I^m thinkin for taking a few home to sell… we’ll see…
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izk reply on October 27th, 2008:
Hye Shen,
may i hv ur contact number or ym id
im interested in buying it…
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25 reasons to avoid the new iPhone (Times Online) http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/money_weblog/2008/07/reasons-to-avoi.html
Don’t be too excited to own the new IPhone 3G.
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Yee Rock, almost 3000ringgit for the 8gb?… You have got to be high on something lol… nothing personal of course, just humouress.
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All i know is that the iphone is attach to specific provider like AT & T. However, my friend from australia told me that they charge AUS 80 to unlock the iphone but still bind with a stupid 2 yrs contract. So its pointless to buy oversea and bring it back. By the way, yeerock, RM 2850 for 8gb is absurd. However, there are still some rich malaysian that can afford ur price and my friend actually paid 3k for the first iphone last year…cheers.
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actually the 8gb price from yee rock is quite acceptable considering the situation now. the price without contract is around 900AUD including the fee to unlock.
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Damn..I have been holding myself from buying the 1st gen iphone because I’m waiting for 3g iphone…
and now it’s hard to get the 3g iphone..
sigh…i cant hold it any longer…
anyone selling it yet?
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Here is some insider news. As of today, the iPhone 3G is looking good to reach Malaysian shores. It will be tied to a carrier. It’s not the carrier that everybody thinks it is. It’s either yellow or blue. Green no go!
All i can say is that don’t sign up with a commitment plan yet. For those who already have, start asking you provider how to get out of it.
News should start coming in around a months time.
Stay Tuned!
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helmy reply on July 28th, 2008:
r u sure about this? how credible is your source? i have been waiting for the iphone for so long… reading about it almost every day… please confirm it again for all of us… thanks again for your kind cooperation.
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hey i cant wait the iPhone 3G lah!!! WTF MAN!!!
is the iPhone 3G now can be used in Malaysia? is all the features available in Malaysia? is it okay to use iPone in Malaysia?
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From US i think need iPhone 3G unlock tools to solve it.If from singapore dono need to unlock or not
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right now i only have confirmation that NZ iphone works in msia.. i’m not sure about other countries
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please let me know when you get the iPhone 3G. I have been waiting for this for a long time.
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hi I am a malaysian student studying in the uk. I have an iPhone 3g I wanna sell. No gimmicks. Genuinely interested in making a deal. Email me at mytlai@googlemail.com if interested.
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I’ve seen lots of local sites claiming that they have iphone 3g unlocked and ready to sell. I find it quite dodgy and it could be a scam.
The only hope at the moment is to wait for local mobile companies to offer it officially in a bundling plan. Hopefully not tied with a super expensive one. Just in case you didn’t know, there’s a petition at http://www.iphone3gformalaysia.com which aims to have the 3G Iphone in Malaysia.
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FYI, i have checked ebay international for an iphone from new zealand. it costs NZ dollar 1100 which translates to RM 2650. this does not include taxes and delivery charges. all-in-all, i would say it would cost us iphone-lovers RM 2800 at the most. and comment no 67 from Soo Pei has said that iphone will imminently and eventually come to malaysia. an ‘insider’ told her that. so, weight your options. till next time… bye…
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The prices look fair and suspicious..
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I will be in New Zealand this week to buy iPhone 3G! I am allowed to purchase 3 units per store. I will take 16GB white. Any interest in and around KL?
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y is the phone so expensive in malaysia market?
its usd299 (rm 1000) in US, to hack it might cost rm200 extra (the most). and they selling rm almost rm5K per piece????? its too much. especially when the 3G one is much cheaper than previous model. i got mine (non 3G) for rm1900 early this year.the 3G should b cheaper. would love to have the 3G but the price is nonsense… luckily my brother is coming back from US. gonna ask him to buy me one and hack it myself. dont wanna contribute to this cut throat business.
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miss woolie, usd200 price does include 2 years contract which binds you for 70usd+ payment per month.that’s why it’s expensive
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hi irwan…just wanna ask u that can we unlock the 3g iphone here even we already sign with at&t in usa…..reply me soon thank u bro…..
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Hey I am willing to buy an Iphone 3G 8G/16G, pls forward me a mail showing the price and delivery place I wish to deal with COD.
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hello guys!
just surfing around the websites to know how to unlocked iphone. found this website. and i just read those comments above.
im a malaysian and i just bought iphone 3g 16g at london, 02 store for GBP410 includes 02 simpack as u need to pay extra GBP10 for the simpack. yes u can buy iphone down there as they have d “pay and go” plan. but there is a catch! u wouldnt have the warranty of the iphone if u do unlocking. i think most of u may know about it anyway.
i do my unlocked at london. but it didnt works as when i reached malaysia few days ago. so i have to do my unlocked in malaysia which is VERY EXPENSIVE! in lowyatt @ sg wang. the cheapest ive got is rm380 and the most expensive is rm500. they have 2 type of unlocked. 1 with d sim and 1 wif the phone itself. i heard rumors that until now they didnt found any ways to unlocked the iphone without using the sim. im not sure about it as i have sent my iphone to the shop to do the unlocking for me. quite scared rite now! tmrw i will get my iphone from them and hope it wud works!
for the software, my sis did it in malaysia with 2.1 version but her software cant load at all. only for a day.
as for me, im quite dissapointed actually for having this iphone coz its just a rumours that it is really good. but after having it and using it, its not that good. my advice, u must really know how to use it as it will only be a simple tool if u dunno how to utilise it.
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izk reply on October 28th, 2008:
hye ru going to london again, wanna ask u buy one for me lah…email me k…
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Who is selling iphone.i wanna get 1. 3g version..many shops selling out there but very very scared that it is fake 1.china look alike phone very hard to know the diffrence…there is a shop in subang selling for rm1600= 3g 16g
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i am going to london again.. visiting my bro. my advice, buy from singapore. less hassle. if i know singapore already got one, i wud buy down there! easier for me. now i want to sell my iphone since its kinda bored. havent used it yet. only today got my iphone and i feel kinda bored wif it. i dunno why ppl keep saying its d best! =P i rather buy something else than waste my money like this!
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hey there
count me in ur list too
i desperately need the iphone 3g but i dun hav any idea where and how to get one
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hii there,
just wat to know what is the latest price for iphone 3g 8gb?interested to buy one..plz add me to your list too!!thanx!!
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All our media comes with a 100% money back guarantee. If for any reason you are not happy with the voice or if you feel the item sold to her was not what it describes as we look forward to working with you to ensure that it will be a happy customer.
Contact the sales Attendant Via e-mail::
akstore001@hotmail.com
akstore005@yahoo.com
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Allen World International
Address Sungai WangPlaza,jalan suitan Ismail,502250 kuala lumper, Malaysia
Sales Department
Email : allenworld@uk2.net
ORDER INFORMATION :
Minimum Order : 3units
Payment Method : Western Union/Bank Transfer
Shipping Method : FedEx and UPS.
Delivery Time : 2/3 Days.
Allen World International is a multi-national telecommunication equipment sales
and distribution company based in Malaysia. We are registered company that deal in the
sales of Computer Games, GPS Navigator and Mobile phones, we started operating
7yrs back, We have the best to offer you in the sales and distribution of the
following appliances, e. g Nokia, Samsung, Motorola, T-Mobile Juicy Couture
Sidekick II, T-Mobile Sidekick 3, Sony Ericsson, I-Mates, O2 XDA phones,Nextel,
TomTom Go, Qtek, Mister Cartoon Sidekick, Treo, PPC-6700, and many more and we
also have all the model of Apple ipod, Sony PS3, Xbox 360, Sony PSP, Nintendo Wii
and we also have all the model of Plasma TV. We operate a 100% return guaranty
policy, and we provide the door to door shipping service through FedEx, UPS and
DHL. Our product are accompany with letter of waranty and information.Here is the
best of our price list, we offer the best worldwide.
contact us for further information via Email.
Email : allenworld@uk2.net
Add us on MSN : shahrukhjaan@hotmail.com
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Saya sekarang menggunakan apple iPhone 2g, bukan dari maxis, dulu saya kerja dengan seorang datuk, dia yang bagi kat saya, baru baru ni saya upgrade version menggunaka iTunes dari version 1.1 ke version 3.o, bila selesai upgrade, saya tak boleh nak aktif kan iPhone saya, kat skrin telefon tu menunjukkan yang saya perlu sambungkan ke iTunes, bila saya sambungkan ke iTunes mesej ni yang keluar, “The SIM card in this Iphone does not appear to be supported. – Only compatitible SIM cards from a supported Carrier may be used to activate iPhone. Please insert the SIM card that came with your iPhone or visit supported Carrier’s store to received a replacement SIM card.” bila saya ke maxis , mereka tak boleh tolong sebab mereka hanya ada warranty untuk iPhone 3G yg dibeli dari maxis sahaja. Sekian.. Reedzuan
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We are a large wholesaler who mainly sell electrical product.such as digital cameras, mobile, LCD TV, Laptops Notebooks, Digital Video, Mp4, GPS, and so on.
We offer you both high quality products and good price .All items are brand new and original with sealed box and comes with official warranty .
Here are some mobile phones in stock:
3G S iPhones (16GB and 32GB version)
3G iPhones (8GB and 16GB version)
Blackberry storm 9500
Blackberry Gemini 9300
Blackberry Bold 9000
Blackberry javelin
Blackberry pearl
Blackberry curve
Nokia N95
Nokia N96
Nokia N97 32GB
Nokia 5800 Xpress Music
Samsung i8910
Samsung Omnia i900
Samsung Q1 Ultra
Sony Ericsson idou
Ericsson Xperia x1
Htc touch diamond
LG kf900 prada
And more…
Note:we are also offering the Apple Macbook pro and Macbook air notebooks/laptops
for sale.
For booking and inquiries please contact us via Email:enquiries_mphoneltd@yahoo.com
:enquiries.mphoneltd@googlemail.com
Thanks for taking a view.
Regards
Mark Jensen.
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TELECOM (MOBILE) LIMITED is a specialized supplier of Mobile phones GSM PHONES), Video Games , Apple Ipods , Iphone , Laptops and Games.
With high quality products, best service and good reputation, we have won a great support from customers, and become stronger and more powerful.
As expected, Apple announced a new iPhone at WWDC 2009, and while the new iPhone 3G S offers a number of advancements, some of the rumors turned out to be false.
We have been doing some digging to learn what the specs for the handset are, and while we have most details, we still do not know what Processor and RAM are installed. This should become available over the coming days.
Apple have dropped the 8GB version, there is now a choice of either 32GB
3GS for $400 ore 3g 16gb version for $299. The new handset is very hard to spot out in crowd of those using a standard 3G iPhone; you have to get much closer to see the difference.
Most of the changes have been made under the hood, and it is not until you decide to take a picture that you get to see that the new improved 3-
megapixel camera has been included. The new Apple iPhone 3G S can now
do video recording.
Full Specs below:
* Price: $199 (16GB) or $299 (32GB)
* Camera: 3 megapixels with autofocus, tap to focus and video recording
* Features: Built-in video camera with editing, Compass, Cut, copy, paste, Faster performance, Landscape keyboard, MMS, Spotlight search, Voice
control, Voice memos
* Colors: Black, White
* Talk Time: 3G: 5 hours, 2G: 12 hours
* Standby Time: 300 hours
* Internet Use: 3G: 5 hours, Wi-Fi: 9 hours
* Audio Playback: 30 hours
* Video Playback: 10 hours
* Headphones: Apple earphones with remote and mic.
Company Details – TELECOM (MOBILE) LIMITED
Registered No.05211659
Address: VANGUARD TECHNOLOGY PARK, FFORD DERWEN, RHYL, DENBIGHSHIRE, LL18 2LS
Tel:+ 447024066966.
Type:Private Limited with share capital
Incorporation Date: 23-08-2004
Nature of business SIC:64200 – Telecommunications.
CONTACT EMAIL:- telecommobile56@yahoo.com
:-telecommobile56@live.com
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T-MOBILE STORE LTD,ARE WHOLESALE SUPPLIER OF DIFFERENT MODELS OF HIGH QUALITY AND ORIGINAL DJ EQUIPMENTS AND MOBILE PHONE WITH GUARANTY SUCH AS PIONEER,SAMPLER,SPEAKER,NEEDLES,NUMARK,ALLEN & HEALTH I PHONE NOKIA,DENON AND MANY MORE IN STOCKS FOR SALE.INTERESTED BUYERS SHOULD CONTACT US.
WE ARE REGISTERED COMPANY WITH A CERTIFICATE OF IMPORTATION AND EXPORTATION OF MUSICAL INSTRUMENT WORLDWIDE.
2x CDJ 1000MK3 + 1 800 DJM DJ PACKAGE …….EUR 1450
Pioneer CDJ 2000………………..950EUR
Pioneer CMX-3000 Dual Rackmount CD Player ……….EUR 600
Pioneer DJM-400 Mixer …..EUR 400
Pioneer DJM-800 Mixer ……EUR 700
Pioneer DJM-600 mezclador …..EUR 500
Pioneer DJM-600K mixer ….EUR 500
Pioneer EFX-1000 Performance efectores procesador de efectos digital.. EUR 650
Pioneer CDJ-1000MK2……………410 EUR
Pioneer CDJ-800MK2……………..400 EUR
Pioneer CDJ-1000mk2……………435 EUR
Pioneer CDJ-1000MK3…………..480 EUR
If your choice product is not short listed here do request now.
Where are you from your location?
Do place your order in the below manner….
Full Name
Shipping Address
City
State
Country
Zip code
Tel:
Model of your unit order
Quantity (How many unit do you want to buy)
We strive to have excellent communication & customer service.
Contact us for more information by E-mail!!!
Email;t-mobilestore@live.com
Chart messanger;t_mobilestore@yahoo.com
Call line;
+447011128597
+447035934131
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Put me on your mailing list when you do bring it over man
I’ve been slobbering over this for a long time now…
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TTH reply on July 17th, 2008:
yo yeerock..i sms you and you didnt reply. Do u still have 2 unit of 8GB with you at the moment. Can these 3g iphone be used in malaysia on maxis? need to make sure…thanks
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Irwan reply on July 17th, 2008:
you guys be careful when dealing kay, only opt for cod.
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sooyun reply on July 14th, 2010:
hye there. is there a T-mobile sidekick gekko 2008 battery?
i really need it. plz help me k.
yeerock reply on May 4th, 2009:
i no more selling it. please go to maxis now if want to buy. more convenient to get 1.
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Yee Rock reply on July 17th, 2008:
Sure, I prefer COD also. Scared the item lost. I cannot afford to pay for it.
Happy buying ^^
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tth reply on July 18th, 2008:
Are u able to unlock new 3g iphone or even jailbreak it? I’m considering getting one from ebay .
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